From rjuvvadi@quartz Fri Mar 28 08:26:46 1997
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From: Ramana Juvvadi <rjuvvadi@quartz>
To: telusa@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: An interesting article on Spanglish


I found this interesting as I could see so many parallels between
us and Hispanics

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            By ERTO GONZALEZ ECHEVARRIA

Spanglish, the composite language of Spanish and English that has
crossed over from the street to Hispanic talk shows and advertising
campaigns, poses a grave danger to Hispanic culture and to the
advancement of Hispanics in mainstream America. Those who condone and
even promote it as a harmless commingling do not realize that this is
hardly a relationship based on equality. Spanglish is an invasion of
Spanish by English.

The sad reality is that Spanglish is primarily the language of poor
Hispanics, many barely literate in either language. They incorporate
English words and constructions into their daily speech because they
they lack the vocabulary and education in Spanish to adapt to the
changing culture around them.

Educated Hispanics who do likewise have a different motivation: Some
are embarrassed by their background and feel empowered by using
English words and directly translated English idioms.  Doing so, they
think, is to claim membership in the mainstream. Politically, however,
Spanglish is a capitulation; it indicates marginalization, not
enfranchisement.

Spanglish treats Spanish as if the language of Cervantes, Lorca,
García Márquez, Borges and Paz does not have an essence and
dignity of its own.

It is not possible to speak of physics or metaphysics in Spanglish,
whereas Spanish has a more than adequate vocabulary for both. Yes,
because of the pre-eminence of English in fields like technology, some
terms, like "biper" for beeper, have to be incorporated into
Spanish. But why give in when there are perfectly good Spanish words
and phrases?

If, as with so many of the trends of American Hispanics, Spanglish
were to spread to Latin America, it would constitute the ultimate
imperialistic takeover, the final imposition of a way of life that is
economically dominant but not culturally superior in any sense. Latin
America is rich in many ways not measurable by calculators.

Yet I worry every time I hear broadcasts by American-based TV stations
that are beamed out across the hemisphere. The newscasts sound like
Spanish, but if one listens closely, it is English transposed, not
even translated, into Spanish. Are they listening or laughing in
Mexico City and San Juan?

The same kind of surrender occurs with American companies hoping to
cash in on the Hispanic market. I cringe when I hear a clerk ask,
"Cómo puedo ayudarlo?" (a literal transposition of the English "How
can I help you?"), rather than the proper "Qué desea?" On a recent
flight to Mexico, a Hispanic flight attendant read a statement that
would not have been comprehensible to a Mexican, a Spaniard or an
American Hispanic from any region other than his. Ads on
Spanish-language TV and on the New York streets are full of howlers. I
wonder if recent Latin American immigrants even can understand them.

I suppose my Medievalist colleagues will say that without the
contamination of Latin by local languages, there would be no Spanish
(or French or Italian). We are no longer in the Middle Ages, however,
and it is naïve to think that we could create a new language that
would be functional and culturally rich. Literature in Spanglish can
only aspire to a sort of wit based on a rebellious gesture, which
wears thin quickly. Those who practice it are doomed to writing not a
minority literature but a minor literature.

I do not apologize for my professorial biases: I think that people
should learn languages well and that learning English should be the
first priority for Hispanics if they aspire, as they should, to
influential positions.

But we must remember that we are a special immigrant group. Whereas
the mother cultures of other ethnicities are far away in geography or
time, ours are very near. Immigration from Latin America keeps our
community in a state of continuous renewal. The last thing we need is
to have each group carve out its own Spanglish, creating a Babel of
hybrid tongues. Spanish is our strongest bond, and it is vital that we
preserve it.

Roberto González Echevarría is a professor of Hispanic and comparative literatures at Yale. 

From rveluri@smtpgate.anl.gov Fri Mar 28 15:19:54 1997
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From: "Rao Veluri" <rveluri@smtpgate.anl.gov>
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To: Telusa-Scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu
Subject: Rtusamhaaram - Reposted from Sanskrit Digest
Reply-To: telusa-scit@smartcad4.me.wisc.edu (*Will post to SCIT also*)


Sid Harth <bakula@earthlink.net>, as I mentioned in one
of my earlier posts, frequently writes in the Sanskrit Digest.
His notes and comments are unique, humorous and often
quite ticklish. 

Any way, I like them! I hope you do too!!

With his permission, I am reposting a couple of slOkaas
from Rtusamhaaram.

Rtusamhaaram  varshaa  - 21 
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kaalaa guruprachura chandanachachirtaangya@h 
pushhpaavatan sasurabhiikRta keshapaashaa@h  |
shRtvaa dhvanim jalamuchaam tvaritam pradoshhe 
shayyaagRham gurugRhaatpravishanti naayar@h
     
Young women, wearing sandalwood-like aloe wood paste,
hair adorned by sweet-smelling flowers behind their ears, 
hearing roar of the clouds, in the evening,quickly
enter bedrooms from their in-law's houses.
     
[Sid Harth..."It is sex-lore for Kalidas, for women,
 just another chore." ]

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Rtusamhaaram  vasanta - 5


kusumbharaagaaruNitaidurkuulai
nirtimbabimbaani vilasiniinaamh |
raktaanshukai@h kunkumaraagagaurai
rlankriyante stanamanDalaani  
     
Coquettish women showing off their silk sarongs dipped in safflower
dyes and pale peachy breasts decorated with blood-red colored upper 
garments.
     
Kalidasian society could neither allow their housewives flaunting their
bodies in diaphanous silk garments nor practically naked with bejeweled 
girdles, that we see in the paintings and sculptures of that era.
     
The literature and arts, however, abound with such high fashion
references. In the literature, therefore, they have to have bad 
characters wearing such outrageous fashion articles. The reference, 
here, to coquettish women--prostitutes--wearing them is a cop-out on 
the part of Kalidas. 
     
Not that there were no prostitutes then. They were plentiful and full of
fame, fortune and fantastic mansions to ply their trade. They parlayed 
their wares to aficionados and artsy crowd. Their high status afforded 
them certain social status. They did not have houses of ill repute but 
"Maison d'art"--Paris salons. Their clientele included royalty's 
underlings, the ones who couldn't afford personal harems like their 
masters. Such "maisons", were the place to be for artsy crowd. Painters, 
poets, writers, musicians, and dancers not to mention priests and 
potentates, proud and profligates, cautious and precotious had their 
atrocious dreams acted out in such "maisons."
     
[Sid Harth..."Pompous, plump, plums of prostitutes make felons out of 
fellow men."]
_______________________________________________________________________

With regards, V R Veluri wishes you all a fruitful egg hunt!





     
     




From cjampala@dayton.net Sun Mar 30 13:16:43 1997
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:16:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "V. Chowdary Jampala" <cjampala@dayton.net>
To: telusa@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Pampa Kavi and some random thoughts
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On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Sreenivas Paruchuri wrote:

> > 	In my pre-university days, I had to study a book called 
> > 'mahOdayam' as a non-detailed text-book in Telugu. The author's name 
> > escapes me for the moment, but he was a Telugu lecturer. The subject 
> > matter for that book is also the writing of bhaaratam, agaisnt the 
> > backdrop of the conflicts between jainism and sanaatana dharma and the 
> > relationship between vEngi chaaLukyaas and chOLaas.
> 
> Are you refering to the well-known work: _mahOdayam_ by K. V. Ramana Reddi,
> by chance? But he writes more about gurajaaDa in that book.

	Now, I think that this mahOdayam is written by aachaarya 
boDDupalli purushOttam.

	Regards.		--- V. Chowdary Jampala 
